The price of being honest – full time insurance for a motorhome
You may have read my rantings about full time motorhome insurance in past blog posts, as it’s a bit of a minefield. I finally got ours sorted, so if you’re planning to set off on your own long term adventure in a motorhome I’ve listed below a few things you might want to think about before you reach for the phone to get an insurance quote.
What is full timing?
I’ve often asked this question too. If you ask insurance companies they generally have a varied range of answers. Some class full timing as being in your van for more than six months a year, others say eight months. Some say you are full timing if you are not on the electoral role at a property in the UK, one company told me I either needed to own a property or have a nine month rental agreement in place to be counted as not full timing.
Whatever their definition of full timing is, they see a person touring in their motorhome with their property in the UK rented out a much bigger risk than someone doing exactly the same trip but with their home in the UK sat empty!
So, to rent or not to rent?
This is a biggie. If you own your house (or have a mortgage on it) and leave it sat empty while you travel, your home insurance company might have a few words to say about it, but your motorhome insurance company may see you as still living there, so not necessarily full timing.
If you rent out your house while you travel, you will need to inform your home insurance company, your mortgage provider and move yourself (on paper) to a friend or relative’s address. We found that we could not get quotes from several companies because our motorhome and driving licences were still registered at our house which we had rented out and someone else was living there.
The DVLA must have an up to date address to contact you at, and a postal redirect is not classed by the insurance companies as a suitable solution to changing your V5 and licences. So, if you plan to rent out your property you need to get your paperwork changed over with the DVLA before you start to shop for insurance.
The price of honesty
This is a bit of a touchy subject, but it has cost us a small fortune during our travels. From the outset we told our insurance company that we would be full timing in our motorhome. This means we were put onto a full time policy which cost us between £800 and £1200 per year. We filled out online forms for quotes for a normal policy, and it came back at just under £400 – a third of what we actually paid for that year.
Many of the people who we’ve met while travelling did not say the magic words ‘full time’ to their insurance company. Their policies provide 365 day European travel cover, and their insurance company assumed that they live at the address their motorhome was registered at. If they don’t specifically ask, and you don’t say you won’t be living there, it works out much cheaper to have a normal policy with a full year of cover in Europe.
Of course you do need to be careful, insurance companies aren’t stupid. If you have an accident they might try to weedle out of paying if they suspect you have been full timing. How can they prove it? If you keep a blog with your details on it or if you write articles for magazines (we were rumbled like that, but fortunately we were on the wrong policy through no fault of our own so didn’t have to pay up any more) they might do some digging and discover you weren’t on a full time policy. But, if you plan to tour quietly around and not tell the world about it – well they might struggle to find any evidence.
At the end of the day it’s down to your own personal situation, your view of the world and the level of risk you’re willing to take as to if you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth or not.
Last tips
- Try to align your insurance start dates with your departure date, that way you’ll be back in the UK for your MOT when it’s time to renew which makes it easier to ring around.
- It’s worth picking up a copy of MMM or Practical Motorhome as there are loads of companies listed in the back that offer motorhome insurance – a good place to start when ringing around
- It might work out cheaper if you join one of the camping and caravan clubs as they have deals with insurance companies which offer a discount (check that the amount of the discount will be less than the membership fee before you join!)
UPDATE – September 2015:
After all the hassle we had with insurance first time around we made sure to set ourselves up so we could enjoy long-term trips without being full-timers. We have converted an old outbuilding behind the house we own. We live in this (and most importantly keep our stuff in it so no need for storage), but we still have access to the house. We rent out a couple of rooms in the house which means it is always occupied, keeping us on side with the house insurance. It’s cost us a small fortune, but we now have a permanent base in the UK while we travel, an address and are on the electoral role. The outbuilding thing might not be for everyone, but renting out a room or two could be an alternative to the whole house.
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Hello Both. Good that you’re still blogging, even if it’s not quite so exciting now you’re back in the real world.
Just thought I’d let you and others following your blog that we too have done the ring round checking on definitions of “full timing”, with a multitude of answers. The best quote by far came from Safeguard at not much more than £300 if I remember rightly. They were perfectly happy if we were away for 51 weeks a year, and were happy to give us a discount for “being parked on a driveway” as opposed to in the street, even when I specifically told them we may only be actually there for a few days a year! And it includes European breakdown cover!
Still haven’t found anybody willing to give us fully comp insurance if we stay away for longer than a year and hence have no MOT, but thats a whole new minefield. Maybe you know better?
Cheers, Peter and Elaine (full timing in ‘Heidi’ a Hymer B574)
Wow, that’s a bargain! Unfortunately Safeguard couldn’t quote us – I can’t remember which one was their reason but it was either because
We weren’t in the UK at the time of renewal
We were full timing
I was unemployed
We didn’t know who imported Dave
They were our three blockers, but I think we might have been be a bit of a motorhoming exception!
Can anyone else beat that price though? I doubt it!
Julie
Are you referring to motorhome insurance or travel insurance ?
Motorhome insurance.
Hi , safeguard would not insure us as not on any electrical register ,we use my daughter’s address , only comfort would do it .
Hi, it was not the easyest think to sort.we are with safeguard as well. 400 ish I think it was with brakebown. The only other one worth looking at was NFU, but think they wanted 600 ish.
All where looked at in the UK. I think doing it from out side will make it hard. It was when living in Germany.
hi everyone I’ve been touring the UK for 17 months to fulfil an ambition when I retired. My attempts to obtain ‘full timing’ insurance was a complete nightmare at first and my plans looked like fading away and I began to believe that a ‘two week jolly’ was the only option open to me. I contacted a number of insurance companies with an honest mind as soon as I mentioned ‘full timing’ the conversation ended at that point. I asked one company WHY can’t you insure me? There response was “you are regarded as high risk” I retorted by asking why? “Because of the miles you’ll be covering sir” I again asked the question, (in comparison to a sales person who travels the UK covering perhaps up to 12-15 thousand miles per year) so whose the risk? Which the operative couldn’t answer to my satisfaction. I eventually obtained insurance the insurance company insisted that my vehicle had to have an mobilizer, rear view camera which were already fitted and have a tracker installed, done. I had no evidence as to how many miles I would complete in my first year, my premiums high without the evidence until I completed my first year of travel. To my surprise I had completed just under 3000 miles and agreed to a ‘limited miles policy allowing me full comprehensive cover for 4000 miles which reduced my premiums considerably. The ‘property issues’ which previous contributors commented have also been addressed. The cover for my intended trip to Europe next year I’ve only been offered 60 days cover by my existing insurance company which includes breakdown and recovery back to the UK providing it doesn’t exceed £3000. Looks like more research is needed, unless anyone knows different, interested to hear your observations.
…well, Good morning…I have to start somewhere as a Chinese politician once suggested, so here goes.
I am an LGV driver, and spent many years taking boats around Europe, mostly to the south of France, Spain and the Algarve. I even had a Driving Instructors’ Licence for some time, so with all due modesty I have some idea of what I am doing.
I am 62 and have been living in my flat in Bournemouth since 1986….half my life, butI am selling-up. My beautiful wife, Katy, died last year and with retirement looming, I thought that with one chapter closing in my life, I would sell my flat to payoff the mortgage and swan-off into the sunset to ….who knows what.
Do you think that I can get Insurance for a Fulltime live-in Motorhome…? Not a bit of it! It’s bad enough for my everyday Mercedes car with limited mileage. I’m not expecting a free ride, Insurance Companies have a business to run, after all; but sometimes, maybe ‘honesty’ is not the best policy.
The relation idea, (a temporary mailing address), would have legs up to a point – my sister is up towards Inverness…!
All I want is a temporary arrangement whilst I weigh-up my options once the flat has been sold; retaining some mobility and independence, and to end-up perhaps in the West Country, which is where I was bringed-up.
**update** I’m waiting for ‘Comfort’ to get back to me – fingers crossed!
Many years ago, armed forces personnel, also merchant seamen, were using missionary house addresses, also other church /vicarage addresses as post addresses, where their post was held for at least 3 months. until they were back in UK to collect such. These addresses were used for banking, driving licence, etc. Recently, I find that the little people, as also others from the Emerald Isle, use the word “traveller” as the first line of their address, followed by the sub-post-office of their choice, on both driving licence, as also on the V5. The problem of insurance still yet boils down to No Fixed Abode (NFA). ALL insurance co.s, now take our cash over the ‘phone, and send ALL documents by email. In the case of a catastrophic international power-cut they could use our bank as a post address, but refuse so to do. If the home office wish to arrest us, they should not be expecting us to sit at home, waiting for ’em to pick us up, but they should triangulate our ‘phones, which will soon lead ’em to within 4 metres of their target. The insurance tell thet they need our home address where we normally o/night, in order to rate the vandalism/theft/Criminal Damage risk, according to our post-code. In short, they discriminate heavilly against those of us with a mailing address in a high risk post-code. They would have us believe that any “Kerb-Side” parking/wild-camping is extreme high risk of crminal damage, despite the fact that most such locations are oft extremely remote, and that we are in complete residence in the vehicle all night thro’. I know of a gent who lives in a 7.5t American style RH rolling wig-wam outside his sons lock-up pit most nights, serving as night security with his 2 dogs. He has NFA, but uses his son’s lock-up as a mailing/insurance address. I wonder if he would be able to claim off of his insurance while living as a poll-tax dodger. This would mean that they would much prefer that he sleeps “at home” every night on the south coast, and that he is not insured for a night-out in Wales, or even worse, northern Scotland. How does Eddy Stobart ever get insurance for his drivers to camp-out o/night, several times each week, please?
Just rang safeguard and they said they won’t cover for full time!
That’s new info for us, thanks for passing it on. Cheers, Jay
Even the insurers that used to offer full-time living insurance, they don’t seem to be doing so anymore. I’ve had rejections from all that I’ve contacted, inlcuding Adrian Flux, PolicyLink, Comfort, CIS, Safeguard! What are people doing these days for insurance?!
I have got a provisional quote through CAMC (insurer-Highway) for £535 which seems low. There were no questions about full-timing or even about seasonal pitches so I’d have to check the caveats carefully. Would love to know what others are doing about this in 2023!
There’s some recent information about full timer’s insurance on the Motoroamers Chat Room Facebook Group. Comfort, AXA, NFU amd Sterling were all mentioned although it wasn’t 100% clear these all offered full time policies. Some may have restrictions on age or value of vehicle too. Good luck, cheers, Jay
Hello
I was interested in reading your many comments on ‘full timing ‘ motorhome insurance as our annual policy is coming up soon for renewal. I am therefore doing some research to hopefully find a bargain. When we first became ‘full timers’ , I spent many fruitless hours and phone calls trying to get insurance for our wanderings. The only company that fitted our requirements was Comfort.
This is our third annual policy with them. Each year the cost has increased, hence my annual trawl through other insurance companies. However, again it seems we will renew with Comfort as I still can’t find another that ticks all our boxes .
We rent our home out whilst living in the van. Our mail is redirected and we travel beyond Europe . We have membership of a caravan club , have a reversing aid, and a tracker . Those were the stipulations made by Comfort.
It is expensive so we pay monthly by DD. Comfort is underwritten by Aviva apparently. They must be rubbing their hands together. We are their captive audience.
But we need the peace of mind. This is our home. If I ever find a cheaper version you will hear me shouting it from the rooftops. Happy and safe travels to you all.
Hi Wendy. We’ve not full-timed for a number of years so it’s interesting to hear the current situation. Insurance companies seem to be difficult to deal with when you’re outside the norm. We had fun getting insurance for our house, which has a shop embedded in it, for example. Many of the people Ju spoke to just couldn’t understand the house is also a shop (the front room has is only accessible from the street, it has no access to the main house, and used to be a butchers shop). I’d glad you’re able to get insurance though and it sounds like you’re living an extraodinary life. Cheers, happy travels, Jay